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Based on some discussions I've had with league players, there is still some confusion about how timeouts work (I think that's because of the indoor rules).
We play by UPA 11th edition rules, plus some house rules that are documented in the constitution and bylaws.
As per 11th ed., captains can override any of these rules at the beginning of the game, provided they both agree - so if you don't like the rule, it can be changed.
In the constitution and bylaws, there is no mention of time-outs, therefore we are using exclusively the 11th edition rules, which state:
VI.B. Team Time-out: Each team has two team time-outs per half in a standard game.
VI.B.3. A team time-out lasts 70 seconds.
VI.B.4. After the pull, only a thrower with possession of the disc ... can call a time-out.
http://www.usaultimate.org/resources/officiating/rules/11th_edition_rules.aspx#VI
You will also note, there is no restriction as to when the timeout is called (i.e. there is no rule that states no timeouts in the last five minutes).
Anyways, just putting this out there. |
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| Are you suggesting I can call a time out with one minute left? Beyond kicking me when you get off the field...what would be the consequence of this? Hmmmmm. |
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Derek,
I went to the bylaws/policies to look for the timing of games...couldn't find anything in it. Can you direct me to where that is?
Had a blast yesterday at the game. Thanks. |
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Not sure where game times are located in the rules but i know DUC plays 40 minute halfs with a 10 minute half time break. This does not include the time spent on points just before half and at the end of the game that will run past the 40 minutes.
Half time can also start once one of the teams reaches 8 points.
Just a side note about an issue that comes up frequently. There is no rule about calling last point before half and last point at end of the game. You either stop at a point limit or after the time limit has been reached. Even if there is 10 seconds on the clock when a team scores, the next point starts immediately after scoring.
Hope that helps
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@Michael:
Yeah - as it stands in summer, you can call a 70 second time out with one minute left. Again, captains can override that at the start of the game, but otherwise, for now, those are the rules.
To me, it's a dick move. There is no rule against it. You could say SOTG, but again, it's not against the rules (so is it unspirited?).
The constitution is here (under About DUC):
http://www.durhamultimateclub.com/league/page.aspx?PageID=22
We can also vote on such a rule at the fall meeting, which I think would be a good idea.
I've had this thread of discussion a few times this year already, which is why I'm posting it out there. I think it has to do with our timeout rules in winter.
I'm in favour chatting about this as a league, outside of game time come up with a consensus (like no timeouts with 5 minutes remaining).
PS - you'd still have to finish the point. |
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| Ddawg wrote: | @Michael:
Yeah - as it stands in summer, you can call a 70 second time out with one minute left. Again, captains can override that at the start of the game, but otherwise, for now, those are the rules.
To me, it's a dick move. There is no rule against it. You could say SOTG, but again, it's not against the rules (so is it unspirited?).
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I can see how some people may feel that way about late game timeouts. However, timeouts do give a team the opportunity to discuss issues they may be having on the field or even set up a play late in the game. This can change the momentum of the game and allow a team to force a universe point rather than going down by 2. It also could allow teams to use their timeout during a universe point situation if they found they needed to re-group or discuss what's going on.
I'm quite happy with timeouts being allowed to be called at any point in the game. I don't see it as unspirited. |
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| Pat Dwyer wrote: |
I'm quite happy with timeouts being allowed to be called at any point in the game. I don't see it as unspirited. |
I totally agree. A main part of SOTG is following the rules. Saying that using a rule is a "dick move" is actually against SOTG.
I. INTRODUCTION
B.Spirit of the Game: Ultimate relies upon a spirit of sportsmanship that places the responsibility for fair play on the player. Highly competitive play is encouraged, but never at the expense of mutual respect among competitors,adherence to the agreed upon rules, or the basic joy of play. Protection of these vital elements serves to eliminate unsportsmanlike conduct from the Ultimate field. Such actions as taunting opposing players, dangerous aggression, belligerent intimidation, intentional infractions, or other “win-at-all-costs” behavior are contrary to the spirit of the game and must be avoided by all players.
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| Brad M wrote: |
I'm quite happy with timeouts being allowed to be called at any point in the game. I don't see it as unspirited. |
I totally agree. A main part of SOTG is following the rules. Saying that using a rule is a "dick move" is actually against SOTG.
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I disagree.
I'm well aware that following the rules is an important part of SOTG, and that's why I specifically mentioned it in my post.
Here's a strawman for you, in your words: "Contest Everything" is not against the rules. Saying that using Contest Everything is a "dick move" is actually against SOTG.
In my opinion, if you're using the rules to put the screws to people (or unnecessarily delay the game) then in my books: dick move.
It doesn't make running out the clock ("mutual respect") a nice thing to do. If you're doing it because you actually need to get organized, then it's not unspirited.
The question is if the other team will understand that you are not running the clock, vs. getting organized.
What matters is that if people really care (which I don't), they should agree to something before the start of the game, because as it stands, those are the rules.
... and my main point is that as it stands there is:
no restriction as to when the timeout is called
two time-outs per half
only 70 seconds allowed, including offence setting back up
only the person with the disc can call a TO, after the pull
If you don't like these rules, you must agree with the other captain to change them before hand. |
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I demand a rematch of our Sunday game Derek!
I told you there would be consequences if not written in the rules that it is 40 minutes. Or we can just double the second half score and call it a tie. I will leave this option up to you. |
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I don't know what you mean. The second half was 45 minutes by our clock!  |
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| Michael Sigsworth wrote: | | I demand a rematch of our Sunday game Derek! |
Looks like you'll get your rematch. See you on Ritson #3, July 29th! |
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ok, this timeout issue still seems to elude me a bit so I would like for it to be clarified. It has come up in the last two games so I want to make sure I get it right.
I understand that the 11th edition says "two time-outs per half". Derek's comment that started the thread 20 days ago indicates that there is no mention of a DUC version of the time-out rule in the constitution or by-laws. However, it seems the constitution and by-laws was updated on July 11, 2012 and indicates one time-out per half.
So, from now on (until this clause gets removed from the by-laws), we are only allowed one time-out per half and all other time-out provisions remain per the 11th edition?
- Chris |
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| Chris Waugh wrote: | ok, this timeout issue still seems to elude me a bit so I would like for it to be clarified. It has come up in the last two games so I want to make sure I get it right.
I understand that the 11th edition says "two time-outs per half". Derek's comment that started the thread 20 days ago indicates that there is no mention of a DUC version of the time-out rule in the constitution or by-laws. However, it seems the constitution and by-laws was updated on July 11, 2012 and indicates one time-out per half.
So, from now on (until this clause gets removed from the by-laws), we are only allowed one time-out per half and all other time-out provisions remain per the 11th edition?
- Chris |
Chris, thank you for bringing this up. I was just thinking about this the other day and wanted to clarify what the rule is. I didn't think we usually change rules mid season. |
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Just bumping this back to the top...
Also, will similar time-out provisions apply during the playoff tournament? Game times are shorter correct?
- Chris |
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