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An interesting read on sideline etiquette:
http://dopacetic.blogspot.ca/2012/11/down.html
... takeaways is:
There are special words on the field in ultimate, that result in stoppage of play when heard.
On the sideline, avoid using the words that are official calls like 'travel', 'fast-count', 'double-team', etc when helping to advise your team, so that no one can confuse your coaching/help with attempting to make a call.
Good idea, all around. |
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I agree...to a degree (would you expect any less).
With such a mix of experience on a lot of teams out there, without using those words in the moment, you lose an opportunity to explain. It can be difficult to try and recreate a moment 3-5 minutes later on the sideline, or 40 minutes later after a game (which may be the first time you are both on the sideline at the same time).
I guess it just requires a little balance on both sides of the line. |
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I'm going to add my 3.14 cents (Would Sigs expect any less?)
One we ran into multiple times in summer is opponents yelling "TIME" in attempt to tell their team that they 'have time' and to 'slow the play down'. Of course some people hesitate if only for a second, under the impression that TIME has been called. (technically it has)
PLEASE avoid calling "TIME".. unless you want a time out.
Unfortunately the peeps that read these posts probably already know this. So if this is you, rather than seeing this as a waste of 'time', you 'should' just use this opportunity to look at my fine picture and smile 
Manny  |
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Actually... the person with the disc is required to make a T and show it to everyone before time is called.
V.B.4
After the pull, only a thrower with possession of the disc that has survived ground contact can call a time-out. The player must form a "T" with one hand and the disc, and should audibly say "time-out." The time-out begins when the T is formed. The disc is then placed on the ground at the pivot spot.
Instead of time, people do often use chilly. As for double team, and disc space the thrower is required to call it, since it is a marker foul. Since the marker is watching the thrower, this should not be confusing for anyone, as play doesn't stop anyhow.
XIV.B.6
Only the thrower may call a marking violation, and to do so must call out the name of the specific marking violation.
There isn't anything in the rules against telling your player to call a double team or watch for disc space. |
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| Michael Sigsworth wrote: | I agree...to a degree (would you expect any less).
With such a mix of experience on a lot of teams out there, without using those words in the moment, you lose an opportunity to explain. It can be difficult to try and recreate a moment 3-5 minutes later on the sideline, or 40 minutes later after a game (which may be the first time you are both on the sideline at the same time).
I guess it just requires a little balance on both sides of the line. |
As "difficult" as it may be to recreate a moment 3-5 minutes later on the sideline, or even 40 minutes later after a game, that's precisely the time it should be explained by someone who is not on the field at the time a play happens. If someone on the field wants to make the call (stopping the play) and proceeds to talk about or explain the matter, that is something different altogether.
There are very good reasons for the rule, and in my limited experience outside of DUC, it has shown to be a very useful rule to prevent un-spirited play, such as someone from the sideline arguing about rules for a play happening on the field. Also, you don't want a play to be stopped just because someone on the sideline yelled "travel". We can all imagine scenarios where you can take advantage of this by making a call just as the other team is about to gain some field with breaks or hucks. This would be akin to a basketball coach stopping a fastbreak with a fake referee whistle.
The exception to all of the above is when someone off the field is being asked to explain a rule when play has already stopped. Of course, it goes without saying that you cannot ask someone on the sideline to make or argue a call.
Let us encourage spirited and fair play. Let us not encourage random "DUC-isms" that lead to an impression that DUC is anything less than a first class league with first class spirit. |
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| Mr Fumble wrote: | | ... this should not be confusing for anyone, as play doesn't stop anyhow. ... There isn't anything in the rules against telling your player to call a double team or watch for disc space. |
Good points, with regard to those thrower called violations that I used poorly as an example, but in general, would you agree with the premise:
Avoid calling to your teammates to call specific violations by name, as a point of ettique, not rule, because it can lead to confusion on the field and stoppage of play?
(Especially cases where there would be a stoppage of play, e.g. travel, or the third marker violation. It's not usually problematic, but there certainly have been games...) |
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Re calling timeouts..
Actually... the person with the disc is required to make a T and show it to everyone before time is called.
V.B.4
After the pull, only a thrower with possession of the disc that has survived ground contact can call a time-out. The player must form a "T" with one hand and the disc, and should audibly say "time-out." The time-out begins when the T is formed. The disc is then placed on the ground at the pivot spot.
Instead of time, people do often use chilly.
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This is my 1st attempt at using the quote so if it didn't work, "my bad"..
Yes I realize the above 'rule' re calling a timeout. And I realize people 'often' use chilly. I'm not talking about what the rule is nor worried about what people often do... It's the non-ofteners i'm referring to here. I'm trying to address the act of people yelling "TIME! TIME! TIME!" in an attempt to tell their players to slow down and suggest they take their 'time'. As they have 'technically' yelled 'time', legal or not, people DO hear that and DO stop or at least hesitate. During play it's not always easy to see who is yelling what, so in the interest of spirited play I'm simply suggesting that players 'should' (feel free to take any form of the word you like.. ref Mr. Crawford) yell something else like perhaps EASY, BREATHE, RELAX, LOOK, WAIT, SLOW IT, SLOW DOWN, SLOW UP, SLOW SIDEWAYS?, STOP-LOOK-LISTEN, CALL YOUR GRANDMA, or go with the ever popular - as you say - CHILLY.. The point I'm trying to make is that there are so many more things we can yell that won't be confused with a timeout.
That is all.
Manny
Disclaimer: if any teammate's grandpa is just hanging on, you might not want to use "Call Your Grandma". No need for premature panic! |
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You definitely don't want people on the sidelines yelling terms that are actual calls.
I had a slightly different but similar situation happen in the last tourney of the summer (final point of the tourney too), where our opponents had the disc about 15 yards outside our endzone, and people on their sideline started shouting "hammer", as in they wanted the thrower to put up a hammer.
Well, as is the habit, when our marker heard "hammer", he stood up tall to prevent such a throw from happening, and when I heard "hammer", I looked over to the breakside behind me to try and locate the disc. The result was that their thrower had a wide open throw on the open side to win the game.
There's nothing in the rules against that, but, it was poor way to end an otherwise good game.
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In response to Vince (quote feature was too long), I would say that the difference between using the words to teach and prompting your player to make a call is significant. Most of which can clearly be seen in the timing and manner of delivery.
Now, obviously ever situation will be interpreted differently by those involved, so I won't start that conversation. But I have seen far too many experienced players in the league strong arm lesser experienced players when a potential foul occurs. Having said that, I have also seen things go the other way, with the conversation turning into a pleasant and short instructional moment. So, not sure the point here can be so black and white. But the initial principle Derek was making I agree with. |
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