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This game is about spirit and having fun. There is no officials to settle arguments, toss out red cards or assess penalties... However sometimes it could be used.
In several games this season, my team(and others i have talked to) have run into the "aggressive player" or the "rule breaker" These two people in a game can totally change the mood of the game from a fun game to a bad and sometimes dangerous game for both teams.
Say you have gone to the other team, told them the rules or told them about the aggressive player, they said rules/player continue to ruin the game and come close to injuring someone on the field if not already have. What should be done with them?? Should the DUC put in a policy to make repeat offenders sit for half a game? Full game? fine the team? and how do you think it should be enforced? Notify both teams before a game that said player should not be playing? And if said player does play, what repercussions should the league put in place?
WOW that's a lot to think about, but i would like other peoples thoughts on this matter to later be discussed at the Captains Meeting at the end of the season.
So lets your thoughts out!! I would ask Captains to also send the link to this forum to their team so they can read and post about this as well.
Thanks!
iain |
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A fine is tough to enforce and small enough that it's not a serious deterent. A penalty of sitting out can ruin the spirit of the game in the same manner that rules disputes can. I would hope that captains would take it upon themselves to "bench" aggressive players long enough for them to cool off. I'm pleased to say that I haven't noticed aggression being too much of an issue this season, though.
Something that might work is making lodging complaints something that happens on the score cards at the end of the game and having them being recorded by the league. If someone is a repeat offender with breaking rules then this is something that the captain can spend some time coaching the player about, and if it's aggression more than once I suppose they could just be removed from the league.
Having people enforce their own rules is tough, especially because not everyone knows all the rules. I don't think that this is a problem that can be solved though, while maintaining the spirit of the game... |
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Sorry i would like to make this more clear.
This is towards players who are mainly OVER agressive and have been warned by the opposing teams and/or their team. Players who put others on the field at risk of injury and are NOT easing up.
Can also be towards players who KNOWINGLY break the rules during the game, have been told that they are and why that rule is in place and continue to break said rules throughout the game, again possibly putting other players at risk of injuries. |
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Im all for jail time... make it more then a rule, make it THE LAW!
Break the rules once... community service. Break it twice, jail time. Break it three times... the electric chair! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAH...
... what?
Ok maybe a bit extreme but i haven't seen any better ideas yet.
-Brad M |
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Nope not yet! So as it stands I say Jail Time!
Dicki"That is all" LeRoy |
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"All this for a FOUL? He Wasnt even bleeding! Much. . "
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| why don't we just brake their knees and go for their families? |
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Oh yeah, nice guy Niven. Way to go after the innocent ones. Go after their families?! I mean really. Jail time I can understand. It changes a man. To go after their families though? You really are a jerk.
Dicki "Thinks Niven is a Jerk" LeRoy  ..hahaha
I'm just kidding around. He is only really a jerk when he's drinking a lot of rye...it must be a rye night for him. Don't judge him because he likes to put back the rye...com'mon everyone be nice. It's just somthing about rye and going after families with him. I don't understand it, so I don't pass blame. |
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The league and all its player who play in the true spirit of this wonderful game should not be subjected to what is clearly the inappropriate actions of a few players. I for one would gladly forfeit a game to any team that feels the need to cheat or abuse other players in order to win. If you are that team and can still hold your head high than you clearly do not belong in DUC.
Walking off on masse as a team will probably not have the intended result though so why not create a thread where people can post anonymously about a "trouble player" so that all in the league are aware of these players (or restrict it to captains only). If multiple posts occured then you'd know it's a real issue and needs to be dealt with at game time. Captains could make their team aware of the player(s) prior to a game and discuss the comfort level of the team. Several things could then occur:
1) Those not comfortable could voluntarily remove themselves from play (unlikely - hence the increased risk of injury).
2) The trouble player could be warned that, at the discretion of the opposition captain, they could be removed from play at any time during the game, for the duration of the game, for unsportsman-like conduct.
3) The captain with the trouble player could be informed that at the descretion of the other team, any actions taken by said player (who's been adequately warned) could result in the automatic forfeit of the game (thereby putting more of the onus on the offending team to deal with it's own).
I think the common thread here is communication, communication, communication. The fact that this is only coming to light at the end of the season is troubling in itself.
I understand and appreciate everyone's need to keep this discussion "light hearted" but jail time is obviously not realistic, neither is a fine. I have not run into these "trouble players" but this sounds like a serious issue requiring a serious solution. Let's deal with it appropriately and effectively so that it becomes a non-issue.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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This was first posted in 2006, and was brought up at the captains meeting again today.
So i figured id give them topic a bump to see what people have to say about it.
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In the end, it is up to the Captain of each team to ensure that their players are following the rules. In many cases players don't know what the rules are and therefore something that the Captains need to pass on. In the event of dangerous play or a player who is continually breaking the rules, the Captain's should have a conversation during the game and assuming they agree that rules are being broken, have the Captain of the offending player deal with it. This can be dealt with either by informing the player that the rules are being broken (if they didn't know already) or taking them off the field if the player decides that they don't want to follow the rules. If the Captain's don't agree, they would be the appropriate people to bring it to the attention of DUC officials who will need to make the decision based on the rules.
Knowing and understanding the rules is the key of course, which IMO most players have not read. Call a Pick during a game and most players just wonder who the crazy person is who is yelling in the middle of the field. |
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Dave, Great points..
This topic was brought up as one of the CAPTAINS was the one commiting the foul. It was brought to his attention and he didnt care. Said if you catch him, call the foul but he wasnt going to change his game play.
So now you bring it to the DUC Admins... But what should a penilty for this type of offender be? Knowlinly breaking the rules placing other players at harms risk..
I guess what i am looking for with this topic is what people think a FAIR punishment would be for these offenders if they do not listen to their captains?
1 Game Suspension?
3 Game suspension?
3 Strikes your Out?
Any suggestions are welcome...
From another league
First offence that comes to the league admins:
1 Game Suspension
Second Offence:
3 Games
Third offence:
No longer permitted to play for the season.
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I concur with:
First offence that comes to the league admins:
1 Game Suspension
Second Offence:
3 Games
Third offence:
No longer permitted to play for the season.
Sounds fair as long as the captains are nice enough to clearly explain this to all of their players so that people can't use ignorence. It comes down to common sence with a non-contact sport... don't do stupid things that get people hurt. |
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Just noticed this in the Captains Meeting Minutes 2008:
"13. Punishment for abusive players – graduated system - 2 warnings against the same player and they will get an email. A 3rd incident report results in a 3 games suspension. Captains will be notified of all incident reports against any of their players. " |
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Well there we go!
Totally read over that one. =)
I know it was brought up at the meeting.. |
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