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| The winners will not be decided by any sort of tie breaker formula such as plus minus etc. Since it is unspirited to run up the score on other teams it would not make any sense to use plus minus as a tie breaker. Plus lets be honest, most scores are approximate scores because the captains forget to keep accurate records. I will schedule any teams tied for the division to play each other sometime in September. Hopefully next weekend. |
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Hi Kevin,
I am not so sure I agree that teams are being "unspirited" if they "run up the score" on other teams, at least not in the "A" division. At the "A" level, all teams are very good and even a small lapse in defence could result in the other team catching up, possibly even winning. Plus, I would rather lose badly and feel that both teams played their hardest than feel that the other team was taking it easy on me.
If you still feel it's unspirited to run up the score, can you please (for future reference) tell us roughly what score you would consider NOT to be unspirited? I will use real game scores from this season as examples...
Band on the Run 14 vs Mighty Hucks 6
Band on the Run 12 vs Floppy Discs 4
Highland Huckers 15 vs Weapons of Mass Disktruction 3 ("B" Division crossover)
Band on the Run 15 vs Flick This 2
ooooooh BURN!!!! BURN!!!!!!  Come on, you gotta admit that's a good one!!! 
Looking forward to playing the Band for first place!!! 
Alex "thought we won 'A'" Sisson
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For some reason, my team was led to believe that scores matter. We were
>wrong, but we just didnt know. In this case, if it doesnt matter, why keep
>scores each week and have it posted and show the PF and the PA and all
>those stats? we should be posting the MVPs and thats about it.
*** A fellow teammate of mine has just mentioned that last year, we won league by beating the hurlers in the final game before playoffs. We were tied in wins and losses with them, but since we were both on top of the same division, our team beat them by the last game points thus giving us the overall 1st place. There was no second game to determine a league winner***
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>Also for the "running up" the score business... if that were true, why cap
>the score at 15?
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>Maybe a +/- system should be put in affect. this plus/minus business
>should be capped at a +/- of no more than 5 each game. My team has won by
>more, but also has lost by the same point differencial.(ie game one my team
>wins 15-2 which would make us +5 even though we won by more. game two my
>team loses 15-7 which would make us -5. So in total we are now at 0) This
>system is used in SPO, SPN,and NSA... these are national and international
>organizations for Slo Pitch... where i have been on both ends of the
>spectrum, in the REC divisions and the Elite divisions. Also used in NSP
>volleyball, and not sure what other sports. but NSP is also "for fun and spirit" when playing and setting up tournaments and leagues.
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>This makes me believe that there are some great teams with a level of
>"competativeness" If there wasnt any competativeness going on, we wouldn't
>be stuck in this situation.
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>Being in the A division must mean something right? My team did play hard,
>and kept it fun at the same time. There was a huge difference between the
>score in our last game, but the team we also played showed up about 30
>minutes late and almost had to forfeit the game altogether. That wasnt fun
>for us to have a team lose by lack of people showing, so we started to play
>30 minutes late. To keep things in good spirit. (our teams #1 goal this
>year since it is a newly developed team was to play with spirit and have
>fun)
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>Even though no one came up to us for "poor spirit" in scores..I will
>apologize to whatever team who thinks we "ran the score up" on purpose. I
>know that i nor my team was doing anything purposely. We have won big, and
>also lost big during the same current season. (hurlers kicked our butt during this season sometime)
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>I guess this will be my final note lol!
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>I am glad we finally have a conclusion in to what is going to happen for
>the winning teams. I just hope for next season that we would get it
>straightened out at the beginning of the season, rather than the end of it
>(ie. this year) Instead of asking 20 people what they like, just put the
>rule in at start and have a playoff tournament (or whatever) on a september
>weekend (or whatever) and try for the same time each year. That way people
>will know what to expect and they can come up with a plan to have enough
>players playing. Since it is September, i dont want to be guessing on how
>the league is going to end. I as well as every team, should know at the
>start of season.
>You may not want my help, and that is fine, but i am going to put the offer
>out there. Want to start a volunteer committee to help out? I will gladly
>join in on it. This way we can make up a system and stick to it. (ie. the
>schedule, +/- (for tie breaking) and playoff/ending tournament )
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>Til then... LETS PLAY SOME SEPTEMBER ULTIMATE!! WOOOO HOOOOOOOOOO! oh... is
>there still Thursday scrimmage???? I am able to make it this week if there
>is!!!
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>Thanks, I didn't realize this would be a long one! LOL
>Signed,
>Kristy "going to wear mittens soon" Seminsky
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Kristy and Alex, I was not trying to imply that your team ran up the score in any way. In fact I know your team does not run up the score. Yes, sometimes you win by a large margin (as do we) but it is not because you are running up the score. I know most teams (including yours) when they are winning quite handily lay off a little on defense and try and let the other team get some things going. Teams will also try and coach the other team a little and help them improve rather than continuing to score on them. For this reason the scores are not really a true reflection of the game. Plus the scores are never accurate in most games. If we wish to use the scores as a tie breaker we can decide that as a league, but we would have to be better at keeping scores.
Kristy, you are more than welcome to come to the captains meeting and provide all the input you want. Most of the things we did this year were a result of the captain's meeting and not necessarily my idea. In fact, I warned that the tournament format for playoffs had had very little success over the years and suggested we do the september playoffs instead but the captains assured me that they would be able to make the tournament. But we live and learn. We will be having a fall captain's meeting and maybe you should come as a co-captain for your team.
As for the championship last year. It was decided by a head to head record tie breaker. This year Band on the Run and the Duc Hunters have each beat each other once and lost to the Hurlers once so the head to head tie breaker does not work. |
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| Pucky21 wrote: | If we had played that game, and lost, we still would have received 1 point, thus putting us ahead. But instead, it seems like we weren't given a fair opportunity to accumlate as many points as the other team, seeing as they had 5 games played and we technically only had 4. If there is another way to settle this please let me know.
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Bryan Pucknell |
Bryan, all you had to do was show up with enough players to play and you would have received the 1 point. When you enter a team you are responsible for making sure they show up. Other teams do not want to show up to a defaulted game and so we put in the default/zero point system.
I can schedule a game but you need to recruit enough players to play |
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| Kristy, as far as scheduling games this is the first season I haven't been able to make 1 schedule at the beginnning of the year and stick to it. Due to the many division system and the teams moving up and down it was impossible to make a schedule for the whole season. The 3 or 4 division system has complicated a lot of matters. |
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Thank you Hilderbogie,
I think that i should have spoken up a little sooner rather than the end of a season. I know it is hard, AND you can't please everyone no matter how hard you try to. I am not trying to blame you personally either.. please don't think i am if you do.
I am still loving to play the game. I am also fairly new to the game as well. The more i know about it i guess, the more i want to get involved. I would gladly join in on some meetings if i am able to.
As for september games, i can't wait! Its cool that you mixed up the teams/ divisions for playing. Not only myself, but others could learn some pretty cool tricks/plays that they never would have tried.
You don't have to tell me twice at how hard running a huge league like this...I think running a team is hard! (insert laugh here) It was good that you were getting peoples opinions throughout the year. Everyone had an opinion and it pretty much started to confuse me. Like that tournament playoff ordeal, When i saw that we finally had a tourny date, it was way to late for me to commit to that. (i think i found out 2weeks prior) Then we didnt know if there are going to be playoffs and/or how it was going to be done after not having a tournament. It was already September when we find out that "in september we will be playing games and top teams will play each other for the tie breaker" again, just more like me getting confused and not understanding.
Anyways...I want to personally thank you because of you coordinating the DUC, I myself get to play weekly. If no league, there would be no play!
Good Luck in September, It is still possible that we will be playing again so I will see you on the field or around the field! GOOD LUCK
Kristy "must take a nap after this" xox |
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| Bryan, only the team that defaulted should get 0 points, the other team should receive 3 points. This is a website clitch and should be fixed. We did not have any defaulted games throughout the season and so this never came up. I will get Marc to fix it. |
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Which game was defaulted? The only game that has no stats for it was the Aug 20th game with the Spin Doctors.
If it was the Aug 20th game, then just go and edit the stats for that game, and check off the defaulting team, and mark yourself as played, and you should get full points.
If not, let me know which game it is, and I will take a looksy!
Thx
Marc
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| Thanks Marc, We will have to remember to tell captains to check that box when there is a default so they get their points. |
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