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Hey Kevin! I have heard from other people that you have sent me an email in regards to playing a game for first place in A-division. I don't mind doing so, but I did not recieve your email. I'm posting on here because I know that posts work and emails at times are as depednable as the Postal Service (No offence Iain)..  You have my phone number if ya need to discuss anything about setting up a game. I hope this past weekend's game was not thought to be a deciding game for first place, due to our lack of attendance and understanding that these fall games are exhibition. I do believe that is stated on the DUC home page that all September games are exhibition so there really shouldnt be any real importance to them other than havin' a great time with people in the league we don't usually get to play with!! That is why it would be a good idea to schedual a "playoff" game, so both of our teams can duke it out for first!!...mauaua..lol just kidding..I do recieve the emails from "duc@teamopolis" so I don't know what happened with the email you had sent. It's alright though. Just give my cell phone a call, so we know that we are indeed on the same page about things! Thanks!!
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I had just read the "News" section. Just for the record, other than an email sent to me, Dicki,(DUC Hunters captian)that I had not recieved, therefore not hearing about any "tie-breaker" scheduled, there was no further effort in contacting me in order to schedule such a game. Even with a tournament I for one have never had a problem making it to league games after tournaments. A perfect example is earlier in the season when I left half way between a game at a tournament to come back with one of the members from Drugstore Cowboys from Gender Blender. The game was against "Flick This". The 16th and 24th of September was not discussed with me at any time. In fact the news about the DUC Hunters fore fitting the game this past weekend was news to me as of tonight. It has never been a problem for anyone on my team, or even players, friends or family around the league to get a hold of me at any given time. It's fact that I as team captian have had no input or contact with the captian from Band on the Run in regards to this matter. I had no idea this game was scheduled in the first place let alone rescheduled. Nore did I have any idea first place this big of a problem. I understood and entered this team as a spirit team with expectations to introduce new players and bring some more competition to the top teams in the league. I think this is exactly the kind of team we fielded this season. If this is how the league is going to be represented, I'm not sure how much intrest other teams will have further down the road. I hope things work out with a possible committee and the amount of action the forum has recieved this season. A serious amount of re-organisation and planning for next season is needed. I wish the DUC best of luck to figure out all it's problems, it looked to be a very promissing league. You can have first place, it's just a number in a standing where even the score didnt count this season. If a tie breaker was scheduled, both teams should know about it. It's the captians responsibility to let the team know. I for one did not know about this, and could not have possibly told my team about it. Hense, crappy turn out on what was supposed to be an exhibition game, which resulted in a "Default" and handing over a "championship" to a team that decided to make it a "championship game" without making sure the other team knew about it. Poor Spirit.
Dicki "Good luck next season" LeRoy. |
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As much as I love ultimate and the DUC, this is one thing I have always felt has been a problem. It has always seemed that a few teams priorities have been put first and aslong as those teams were taken care of then everything was fine. It has always been said that spirit is the first priority, but I think in this case with the effort seeming to not be there to get a hold of Dicki, spirit deffinately took a backseat.
Good season to everyone,
Hopefully see you all back next year,
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While there is an obvious problem here perhaps the forum is not the best place to discuss it. Please bring issues to the team meeting. It also seems to be an issue between band on the Run and DUC hunters. I see no mention of "hammer Time". If you have issues bring them to the meeting.
Matt |
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I dont think that there were any issues between DUC Hunters and Band on the Run prior to this. I think this was a very sneaky play, or miscommunication.
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I agree with Dr.Fever. I did not want to start a discussion about this. I only wanted to let the league members know what is true and what is not from what had been written about in the "News" section of the site. I just believe that the facts have gone entirely awry and they needed to be set straight. I don't mean to sound like a crybaby, I could care less about standings. I just want everyone to know what is factual and accruate. I just love the game, and don't want to see a good league fall apart like I have in other cities.
If anyone has any problems or comments about anything, there is a meeting on October 5th, 7:pm at Isabella's Chocolate Cafe. For the future of the league I'm sure the league admins would not mind to hear constructive opinion about what has happened not only this season, but in previous seasons as well. Nothing can better a league than it's members views and Ideas. |
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| Dr. Fever wrote: | While there is an obvious problem here perhaps the forum is not the best place to discuss it. Please bring issues to the team meeting. It also seems to be an issue between band on the Run and DUC hunters. I see no mention of "hammer Time". If you have issues bring them to the meeting.
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No, I think the forum is a completely legitimate venue to communicate with the rest of the league the facts of the situation.
Again, I am going to disagree with you. There is no issue between Band on the Run and the DUC Hunters, but rather between the League Administrator and the DUC Hunters. There is a subtle difference. It is confusing that the League Admin happens to play on Band on the Run and clearly demonstrates that they have a vested interest with their team, rather than the ability to objectively operate the league. |
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I do think the forum is a completely legitimate venue to communicate with the rest of the league the facts of the situation. I don't think it's a place to shred on a topic or individual. Again, what I wrote was not a discussion, but the facts and my opinion on the news article written yesterday.
Just make a list of inquiries and give them to your captians, if you feel strongly about being there, so be it..I have heard many thoughts and I'm sure they will all be brought up at the meeting. Any alterations that come out of the meeting will be posted and discussed I'm sure. No worries, everything will straighten out and next season will be much more organized due to all the intrest shown across the league.
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Again, thanks Dickie. As it is fine to communicate via the forum it is bordering on slander to say the least. I only felt compelled to counter what I felt to be unfair comments directed towards my team (Band) and my captain. The details I'm sure can be discussed in private or the captains meeting. I feel there is no danger of the league folding as it has grown significantly and many teams have continued to return faithfully without incident. I think it is important to note that other than myself Band teammembers have chosen not to open discussion here as it is not a proper forum for such an issue. I do agree that since the details were posted in 'news' that Dickie was entitled to reply. In fact I would have done the same. However singling out the league admin with accusations ranging from mismanagement to favortisim is unwarranted and unneccessary. Those of us who do acyually post message are by far the minority and such comments are not the feelings of the majority. If they were more would post. The reality is that this is a growing league and we can chalk this year up to 'growing pains'. Many teams have not wanted to move up or down etc, and maybe now we can review the year and decide on a structure. As for scheduling I know I play Sunday nights. It would be nice to hear some positive too, and not coupled with a complaint. I think the future of DUC is bright. Growing in size, annual charity tournament, and the current home to the Gender Blender spirit award...which as Dickie pointed out is one of the most coveted awards in Ultimate! Lets work out the kinks together and move on.
Matt
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Hello Just a few things about our 'league admin' I would like everyone to consider before putting him down all over this forum
He started the league in 2001 and it has (I think correct me if I 'm wrong) tripled in numbers
He also has taken the Bowmanville Highschool team just this spring to the OFSA championships and won
He took a team to the Gender Blender this year as well and returned home with the Spirit award the most important award given at one of the biggest tournments held in Canada
Please lets not forget that everyone has personal lives and other events to plan.
The very fact that the numbers have tripled should say enough for the league's leader without having to mention all his other Ultimate related accomplishments.
If everyone put the effort into the captains meetings that they put into the forum there would be far less room for complaints next season.
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| Well put Jane's Addiction!! Looking forward to the Captains Meeting where as always, issues can be dealt with in a rational manner, with the best interests of the league in mind. Despite negative vibes from a small minority, the league will continue on better and stronger. When team captains come out to play with their team, and voice their concerns at the captains meetings, then issues that arise can be dealt with equitably. |
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To set the facts straight about this situation:
-Kevin does a great job in regards to ultimate, within and outside of his league. No one is taking that away from him. I can't see it being easy, and that is why things get better as time goes by. I for one appreciates what he does for the sport with "Floppy Discs", giving Durham an option other than Toronto to play and winning the spirit award at Gender Blender. I've won it as well, and know how difficult and how BIG that award is!. What I don't appreciate is what was written in the News article.
-There was no contact between me and any representitives from Band on the Run at any time in regards to this "tie breaker" game.
-Alex did know where I was that day, a good chunk of the team including myself were at his place the night before for UFC and Poker. In conversation I said I had baseball on sunday in Brampton.
-Alex for the record, wanted nothing to do with making any decisions in regards to agreeing on a date for the game. Not the 16th or 23rd. He stated "I'm not captian, talk to Dicki" He made no agreement...No contact was made between the two captains at any time.
-The DUC Hunters, myself included, had no idea this past weekend or the previous weekend was suposed to be a deciding game. Otherwise there would have been a better turn out.
-The fact that we were participating in a tournament had nothing to do with not fielding a full team. We could have still fielded a full team. Only 4 players on DUC Hunters were at the tournee. It being an exhibition game without any contact or information that it was supposed to be a "tie breaking" game is the reason there was little intrest for a lot of peole to participate.
-"If your captain is AWOL, maybe you should reconsider your leadership for next season." -member of Band on the Run...I can safely say if you ask any one of the DUC Hunters, they would say this statement is rediculous. Frankly I think that is pretty insulting considering how the team was represented this season. If I was informed of these games by the other teams captian, non of this would be an issue.
-First place is not of importance. I just want to state the truth about this situation. I don't want to bicker about pointless things. I care nothing about politics and putting people down. Again, Kevin does a good job with things. I just want to clairify that the statments in the news article are false.
Nothing personal, just factual.
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Dicki, here is the story as far as I am concerned
In talking with Alex and Junko on September 10th, I informed them that I wanted to play the final game on the 17th (you were not at that game or I would have spoken to you). They informed me that your team was in a tournament and so I said that I would schedule it for the 24th. They did say to contact you and I did via email through the league email. You say you did not receive the email and I believe you. What happened to it I don't know unless your email is incorrect.(Alex says that your email has not been working and that he was unable to contact you as well so you should probably look into it. di ... @booyaka.ca?) I then informed my own team that the game would be moved to the following weekend and they rescheduled their plans. The game was put on the schedule as a game between Band on the Run and DUC Hunters. This I felt was enough since I had told Alex and Junko, emailed you and scheduled the game. Even if you did not get the email or Alex had not passed on the message you knew a game between us would be scheduled and Why else would we play each other at the end of the season when we are tied in the standings? It seems pretty obvious to me that most people would assume that this would be the championship game. On the game day my team showed up and yours didn't. At first I was unsure what to do about it as I really wanted to play the game but new that my team had already committed two weekends to it and had plans for the next weekend, and the following weekend was thanksgiving. I also didn't want to claim the default win because I hate winning that way (there is no glory in it), and being the league administrator there would always be those that would think it was a decision of power. But then I thought what would I do if it was two other teams involved and my answer was that I would definitely, without hesitation, declare it a default win. If one team shows up and the other doesn't, it's a no-brainer.
My team was extremely dissapointed with your team not showing up as we had been looking forward to this game for many weeks. We are both two very good teams and could beat each other on any given day. Win or lose, I don't care, I just wanted to play. The year before we had played the Hurlers in the championship final. Coming down to the last point the Hurlers were ahead by one, if we scored..universal point, if they scored it was over. They ended up scoring and winning 11-9. Despite the loss, we at least felt that we had played a great game against a great team. I had hoped our game would be the same but this year is just dissappointing. I wish we could schedule a make up game but most of my team has other commitments to tend to. The season is long and most of my players have families that they neglect on sundays. We can discuss this further at the captain's meeting if you wish. |
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Alex is not the captain and he knows that. He is also sure that he did not agree to anything, but told you to talk to me. Your explination is valid, but still does not justify why you did'nt make any further efforts to phone and/or contact me in order to schedule a game "of such magnitude". He specificaly told you "I am not the captian, you'll have to talk to Dicki". To assume that the game was to be set on a certian date is wrong. You can't assume somthing when only one of the two people that make that decision know about it. I'm not angry, taking this personal, or think you don't do a good job with the amount on your plate. I have stated this before. I don't want this to go on and on, and I never ment it to be a discussion or an argument. I am only taking what you wrote in the News Article, and letting the rest of the league (players in the league) know what is correct and what is not. It's only fair.
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| Release the Hounds wrote: | I'm not angry, taking this personal, or think you don't do a good job with the amount on your plate. I have stated this before. I don't want this to go on and on, and I never ment it to be a discussion or an argument. I am only taking what you wrote in the News Article, and letting the rest of the league (players in the league) know what is correct and what is not. It's only fair.
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Justified and fair.
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In any case, congrats on a sucsesful season! |
Classy and sportsmanlike.
Well done.
(Just to be clear, I am not being sarcastic)
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| Release the Hounds wrote: | It being an exhibition game without any contact or information that it was supposed to be a "tie breaking" game is the reason there was little intrest for a lot of peole to participate.
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Dicki, I agree that Alex wanted no part of being the captain. But I did tell him that I would schedule the game for that weekend and I would email you to tell you. I still don't know why you did not receive the email and unfortuately the league communicates via email. I also still don't understand why your team would choose to not show up to the game. The above quote seems to show that your team had no interest in playing that weekend. An email from your team to my team explaining that you were not going to show up would have been nice. That weekend (24th) was actually not a good weekend for my team as well and we only had 10 players there, with a few key females missing. It seems uncharacteristic of you and your team to say, oh it is just exhibition lets not go.
I think you did an awesome job this year with your team, and I enjoyed playing you guys in the various games throughout the season. I hope we can discuss this issue at the captains meeting and put it to rest. Perhaps we just declare it a tie and call it a day.
For next season I will definitely set a time and a place for the final game at the beginning of the season so we don't end up in this mess again. In fact I will state it right now that it will be the 2nd sunday in september at 3pm.
See you at the captain's meeting.
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